The real problem in this country is our young men–99% of mobs, beatings, murders,rapes, etc…occur in young boys from 17-25, of all races. Usually the crime is gang related, within the same race and age group. It is almost always male on male, outside of rape of course, which is far less common than murder. Most hate crime is committed between young boys in that age group. So, occasionally they step out and kill outside their demographics–but generally stay within. Within that age group –nearly twice as many black men fall victim to being the predator and victim.

The most interesting statistics I read–were outside of that age group–whites are more likely to kill their infants under 1, children from the ages of 1-9, their women, and their elderly over the age of 55. Doesnt matter if you do per capita–whites kill those demographics more–so how anyone could express more concern for the condition of the black race than the white race is beyond me.

Might sound harsh, but if we just legally set boundaries for how many children a woman is able to have, no matter their income, alot of those problems would be solved–less children, less teenage boys, less problems, more time to focus on the future.

On welfare:

A higher percentage per capita of blacks are on welfare–but a higher number of whites use it–so for haughty taughty white people to suggest cutting welfare–you are only hurting yourself. Doesnt matter if we have more white people here or not–its not just a free ride for the blacks–its a free ride for everyone.

Because we have used it for so long-Im not sure that halting it completely would even work–we would have 3rd world savage conditions.

As someone that used those programs as a single mom to get myself a bachelors degree–I have more than paid back my taking. I understand the frusteration that people just milk it–but if you just stop it, what happens to all those kids that dont have anything to do with their parents decisions? They just wont eat?

I would love to hear suggestions for how we could gradually eliminate some of those problems–but I think it starts with restricting how many children women can have. Not through abortion, but tying peoples tubes once they have had 2–make it across the board–no matter your income, you dont need more than 2.

Less mouths to feed-less welfare.

On poverty:

Being from the South–poverty is everywhere–Ive never noticed more poor blacks than whites. So its ok for the white people to be poor–just not the blacks?

With years of successful history–what are the white peoples excuses for being poor?Poverty is a huge determiner on all negative socio economic situations–it affects eduaction and influence, which breeds craziness.

On immigration-

If we close our borders and send people home, we will have jobs for the blacks and whites that have skill sets in those industries. Those folks have learned their lesson–I assure you they will be willing to work for the same pay as the immigrants now. Is is fair? No. But, in this economy–a job is a job.

And I dont just mean Mexicans–Im not interested in hearing any immigrants opinion on the condition of this country–Just because you are a white immigrant from Eastern Europe doesnt make you any different.

We shouldnt give any of you tax breaks to open businesses or live here–we, Americans, are the idiots for that. If youre not Chinese, then you dont own me, so I dont want to hear it.

On crime:

James is right–the crime is higher in black communities, but black crime overall does not affect that many white communities–white crime affects white communities. Most crime is intra-racial, period. Visit the FBI, DOJ,Census Bureau..the numbers all match up and they are all the same.

Im doing estimates here for easy math-about 500 white people killed blacks in 2008, about 200 blacks killed whites the same year. Since there are about the same amount of murders within the races it seems to show–that more black people per-capita murder overall–but about the same amount of whites kill blacks as blacks kill whites–its like a 10% difference? Now, of course add in per capita, etc..but you are not 50% more likely to be killed by blacks–the inflation seems to go with the differences in the population of the two races?????

Im not even going to comment on the IQ thing–youre ignorant for even bringing in a history lesson about spears and Egyptians to discuss African IQ. And to suggest black people are smarter now because of race mixing–really?

When Hispanics are victims of crime they are categorized as “Hispanic”.

When Hispanics are perpetrators they are categorized as “White”

The hispanic offender rate for murder,(as an example) is 3 or 4 times that of the “white” offended rate.

Black Americans are 12.6%
Hispanic Americans are 16.3%
“White” Americans are 63.7%

Given the difference in crime rates, certainly you have statistically a greater chance of being murdered by a Lantino or Black American.

“”There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. — the Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, 3/10/96 “”

I actually followed this thread from beginning to end, and first let me say – James? You did an amazing job of presenting logical, facts-based arguments. I am floored at how much time and effort you put into refuting a disappointingly large number of people whose perceptions of blacks are based on heresay, rumor, speculation, and anecdotal evidence.

For those people, let me say this:

I’m a black chick who’s always been into rock/alternative/indie. I went through a goth phase when everyone in my neighborhood was wearing flannel shirts and boots during the summer. Because I was ostracized by most of the blacks I knew, I turned instead to whites (and, in smaller part Asians) for friends, lovers, etc. I live in suburban CT right now, and I am literally the only black person for miles. But I was raised in the poorest parts of Philadelphia and Chicago.

So when I say that I have lived in the white world and I have lived in the black world, trust me. As an oreo, I’ve only ever been an honorary member in either world.

With that said, I’ve experienced racism from whites on numerous occasions. I went to any number of concerts where I was the only black face, and I heard any number of horrible things. I’ve lived in the South, where I had to keep hearing things like, “When I talked to you on the phone, I thought you were white. You speak so well!” And even in the north, the moment I’d leave a large city to go camping, I’d have to deal with small-town people yelling slurs at me out of windows as they drove past.

My favorite was the time when a white woman LITERALLY pulled her child further away from me with a panicked glance in a country convenience store. At the time, I was wearing a nice long floral skirt, feminine tank top, sandals, and my hair in a ponytail. I’m not a hulking black female, I’m 5’4 in my bare feet, and some extra pounds on a petite frame. How much more harmless can you possibly get?

Here’s the thing:

If I allowed these experiences to color my perceptions the way some of you folks do, I’d be convinced that all whites are racist. If I allowed my experiences in the south to color my perceptions the way some of you folks do, I’d be convinced that all whites are tactless, poor, and allow their children to run barefoot and filthy in their front yards.

If I allowed the behaviors and actions of a few to shape my opinion of the whole, I would have some pretty terrible opinions of whites.

But I don’t. And to my credit, part of the reason why I don’t is because as an oreo living much of her time in the “white” world, my dearest friends have been white. My boyfriend is white. My daughter is mixed. I’ve been around white people long enough to dispel any of the myths that a lot of blacks have – blacks who are as isolated from whites, as a lot of whites are from blacks.

And it was those white people who, in each and every one of those instances of racism, defended me with such passion and anger that they were ready to fight with fists. It was a crowd of white strangers who, after some nearby guy yelled the “N” word and I froze in the middle of the sidewalk in fear, yelled the man down and drove him off.

I’ve been lucky enough to experience the best of whites as well as the worst, and I made the choice a long time ago to not judge the entirety of ANY race on the behaviors of a few, because that type of judgment will only lead to becoming bitter and bigoted.

The funny thing is that some of the people in this thread who say they don’t want to be around black people out of fear are creating that fearful environment for themselves. They wouldn’t have such fear of a black perp lurking around every corner if they actually knew a lot of blacks. But since they don’t, they’re half-convinced that most blacks just rove in packs, robbing and looting at will.

I’ll leave you with this: I’ve lived in this suburb for 3 years now, and only one of my white neighbors has introduced herself. Her kids and my daughter play together all the time. I’ve had to flag down neighbors as they’ve walked their dogs or gotten their mail, and at one point, I went around with cookies. Even now, they’re a bit aloof. I don’t take it personally. I don’t attribute motives. In fact, it makes me a bit sad.

Because in every black neighborhood I’ve lived in, including the poorest ones, it was the other way around. A couple of places even threw a block party to welcome my family to the neighborhood, complete with music, BBQ, and yes, watermelon.

I guess ultimately my point is this: it is a human tendency to stereotype people in our minds when we have no real exposure to them. So it’s understandable to have stereotypes. But once you’ve recognized that you’ve got stereotypes, there is no excuse – none – for not putting in the immediate effort to replace that stereotype with something more realistic.

At least, that’s what decent people do.

There are many examples of the type of hatred that i am talking about. During the civil war, when confederate solders captured black union troops who had already surrended, they would bludgeon or rifle butt them to death. During the same period, New York Irish mobs protesting the draft shot and hang as many blacks they could find. These were good deaths as many black families were burned alive in their homes. During the 1960′s white women screamed in protest that they would never let those “N*****” into their schools. These of course are not isolated incidents they happen all the time and every day (for that matter blacks also hate whites but to keep things simple i want to question white on black hatred ).

So why is there so much deep seated hatred of black people? Please consider this question as it defines logical explanation (It is logical for a soldier to try kill a soldier who was trying to kill him, but it is not logical to hate that soldier.)

I do believe that the source of much of this hatred is part of the human condition, a predispostion that all humans share. Let me explain.

My college dorm was probably very typical of other dorms. We had a special floor where handicaped persons lived. If you looked at the lives of these handicapped persons they tended to be lonely – not too much dating especially for persons with facial deformities. No surprises here. The point I want to emphasise is that people are so hard wired to avoid persons that are unlike them or that they belive to be inferior to them that this environment is considered normal. It is as if mother nature has given humans a sort of ‘mean-streak’ so that the gene pools do not get corrupted. We know that these isolated people suffer from loneliness but we do not include them into our lives. We don’t care about them, but to be more accurate we are disgusted by them.

The feelings we have toward handicapped persons is closely related to the feelings that whites have toward blacks except that white people do not have to worry about handicapped persons missing with their genes: all they have to do is avoid them and their gene pools are ‘safe’.

The point is that to preserve the quality of our gene pool, we – by default – do want to associate with inferior people.
If avoidance is not good enough to protect the gene pool, humans will go to more extremes.

There is no anti-discrimination law that can change this. Most children are born like this and they will isolate other kids who they believe are different. When our society has advanced to the point where this natural urge is suppressed, then we will be able to move forward. Until then this natural tendency must be curbed.

You may very well be right that whites have a higher IQ than blacks, and that yes, they are being discriminated against my anti-discrimination laws. Yes, that is definately wrong and it does bother me. However, i do see that there are other factors in play and we do have a natural tendency to go with our own. This does hurt minority opportunities if they do get into the door, so i think it is best to keep these so called anti-discrimination laws in place as a kind of balance to our darker side.
Regards,
Jim

As for your difficulty in seeing much discrimination against blacks or other minorities today, perhaps that’s because you aren’t the target of the discrimination? You say it yourself: when you apply for a job, you can see affirmative action policies but not informal discrimination. It’s not as if discrimination tends to be overt these days, with employers openly refusing to hire black workers or signs on drinking fountains.

I’ll grant you that you’re not alone in what you’re saying. There’s a persistent myth today, in certain circles, that there is little discrimination left towards minorities, and that most discrimination is now against the majority white population. This just isn’t true, however. I’ve mentioned the stacks of research that show discrimination in housing, education, employment and other aspects of life, and the modest effects of government policies like affirmative action.

I agree with you that affirmative action policies must, by definition, discriminate against those they aren’t designed to assist. Whether this is a sound policy or not is another question, but it is certainly a form of discrimination (albeit one which is designed to correct the effects of past discrimination, in order to balance the scales). But I’ve also mentioned that affirmative action has hard made a dent in the racial equality gap that has persisted since slavery, and affirmative action has benefited the white population as a whole more than any racial or ethnic minority.

I’m not endorsing affirmative action here, contrary to what you seem to believe. But I’m quite certain that affirmative action is not a “handout,” seeking as it does to identify past discrimination and to undo its effects. Whether such programs do this job well or with justice is a different matter, but you don’t seem to be asking those questions.

It’s certainly true that immigrants and their descendants generally also had to work very hard to get ahead. But, of course, this was true of former slaves and their descendants, as well, and they were prevented from passing down to their heirs the same rewards for the same effort. European immigrants, no matter how little they had when they arrived on these shores, walked off the ships to face opportunities denied to black Americans.

So you can say that black families today have all that they need to be equal to others. Yet it takes generations for most families to be able to rise from poverty into the middle class and then affluence, and it has historically usually required considerable assistance. Merely enacting legal protections against discrimination won’t magically allow everyone, with equal effort, to attain more education or better jobs than their parents had.

You criticize the view that there is still strong discrimination against minorities, yet every study I’ve ever seen backs this up. If you look on this blog alone, you’ll see empirical evidence of ongoing racial discrimination in housing, education, employment … even in balls and strikes called by home-plate umpires.